Question:
I feel stupid for asking this, but can you help me understand why particles travel in waves...?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
I feel stupid for asking this, but can you help me understand why particles travel in waves...?
Four answers:
Steve4Physics
2012-05-31 21:41:59 UTC
A light wave is relatively easy. Instead of material oscillating with SHM, you get electric and magnetic fields oscillating with SHM - rapidly changing in magnitude and direction. SInce the fields can exist in a vacuum , a pattern of changing electric and magnetic fields can propagate - that's en electromagnetic wave.



For matter it is not straightforward at all and I doubt anyone understands what a matter wave REALLY is, as it is something that is outside our brains' model of reality - in the same way as no one can really imagine a 4th spatial dimension - because our brains have only devloped to think in 3D to allow us to operate in the world.



However, mathematically, quantum mechanics tells us that if we consider matter as a wave we can make all sorts of predictions - which turn out to be amazingly accurate. So you just have to accept that matter seems to behave as waves sometimes - and then you can use this in practical way.



Try the link.
chris_1097
2012-05-31 21:09:42 UTC
my understanding of a wave was that the particles never moved anywhere; they just oscillated up or down or at right angles. it's the energy that gets tranferred from one place to another that is the wave?



i might b wrong!
OldPilot
2012-05-31 21:14:55 UTC
You are trying to make sense of something that does not make sense.



“By 1928 or so, many of the mathematical formulas and rules of quantum mechanics had been put in place and, ever since, it has been used to make the most precise and successful numerical predictions in the history of science. But in a real sense those who use QM find themselves following rules and formulas laid down by the ‘Founding Fathers’ of the theory…. Without really understanding why the procedures work or what they really mean. ….



What are we to make of all this? Does it mean that on a microscopic level the universe operated in ways so obscure and unfamiliar that the human mind, evolved over eons with phenomena on familiar everyday scales, is unable to fully grasp what really goes on? Or, might it mean that through historical accident physicists have constructed an extremely awkward formulation of QM that, although quantitatively successful, obfuscates the true nature of reality? No one knows.” – Brian Greene, The Elegant Universe



'I think it is safe to say that no one understands quantum mechanics'. Richard Feynman

If anyone understood QM it would be Richard Feynman



Who needs fantasy, when they have Quantum Mechanics - Me



I find the best way to approach QM is: QM is like going to see a fantasy movie (Harry Potter, Twilight, Lord of the Rings, Underworld, etc). Though the movie involves a universe that has different rules from the universe we live in, we have no problem accepting witches, warlocks, hobbits, werewolves, vampires. We learn the rules and the movie makes perfect sense. (Quick: If you saw a person that sparkles in sunlight what is he or she? I bet you could answer without thinking about it. Though you know that people do not sparkle in sunlight. You know the rule, accept the rule, and apply the rule.) The thing about QM is, QM is real. The rules describe the sub-atomic world accurately. The rules are consistent and rational, BUT they are also illogical and counter intuitive. We must accept (like the movie) that the rules make sense in that world, even though that make no sense in the macro world of things larger than an atom.

We do not “understand” QM, we “Interpret” it. We form mental pictures of what is going on and they are weird because QM is weird. The Interpretations may not be “reality.” Wave-Particle Duality is just one of those Interpretations. We use the Interpretation that best fits the phenomena we are trying to analyze.



This is one of those things that you just learn the rule and apply it.



If the location of a quantum is unknown, then treat it as a wave.



If the location of a quantum is known or you learn its location, then treat it as a particle.



No one knows why that works, it just does.
xezlec
2012-06-03 11:48:03 UTC
Yikes! 3 answers and no help! Glad I found this.



The books you're reading should be explaining these things to you. Maybe you're going too fast? Anyway, I can answer your question, but you're going to have other questions. It's a difficult subject and you might want to find other people who can help you. I recommend physicsforums.com .



You're absolutely right to be shocked and confused that a particle and a wave are the same thing, and you're asking all the right questions. The early discoverers of quantum mechanics were also shocked and confused. After a lot of experiment and study, they figured out the key: the wave contains information about the probability of finding the particle in a particular place and time.



Think of an ordinary wave like an electromagnetic wave propagating out into a room from a light bulb or something. Now imagine that we turn the light on and off very quickly. So that light wave that propagates outward is a spherical pulse that expands outward and eventually hits the walls and gets absorbed or something. That spherical pulse is certainly a wave, but it has a specific size (it's a sphere with some radius and also some thickness representing how long the light was turned on) and also contains a specific amount of energy (the total amount that the light bulb sent out while it was on).



Now, if we make the light bulb dimmer and do the same thing, the pulse has the same size as before, but less energy. It has less energy because the amplitude of the wave is smaller; it's a gentler ripple in the electromagnetic field than before. The amazing thing that QM says is that if we keep making it dimmer, eventually we find a MINIMUM amount of energy that the pulse can have without being zero! If we try to make it dimmer than that, the electrons in the bulb simply refuse to radiate any of their energy as a light wave. Not only that, but we find that the amount of energy in the pulse can only ever be a multiple of this minimum amount! So the dimness/brightness of the light pulse always goes up or down in tiny steps. The size of a single step of that minimum energy in the wave is called a "quantum".



So we see that our spherical pulse is always made up of some number of quanta (plural of "quantum") on top of each other. Each quantum can be a sphere in the same shape and size as the whole pulse they make up (actually, they won't really be for a light bulb, but that's just because a light bulb is an awkward and uneven light source, so ignore that detail). A quantum of the electromagnetic wave is called a "photon".



But wait a minute! You've heard of photons and you've heard they're supposed to be "particles". I just said a photon can be an expanding sphere with some thickness, which is obviously not a "particle" in any normal sense. Well here's the trick: when that minimum-energy wave hits an electron, it can't use a little piece of its energy to wiggle the electron, as we would expect from the usual wave picture. Why? Because then what's left of the wave would have slightly less energy, but it already had the minimum possible nonzero amount. So, we find that ALL the energy of the wave must go to wiggle ONE electron. This is the really-insane-but-true part.



When that big spherical photon hits an electron, it must choose (randomly) to either be COMPLETELY absorbed by that electron, or not absorbed at all by it. If it decides not to be absorbed, it keeps expanding outward and faces that same choice again at the next electron it hits. Eventually, it will be absorbed by one of them, and when this happens, the whole wave, all of it, even if it's a mile in diameter by now, instantly ceases to exist. The electron then wiggles as if the full energy of that spherical wave were concentrated right at that one point.



Another way of saying this is that the wave is actually a probability wave. The intensity of the wave at a point in space tells you the probability density of the photon being received by a hypothetical single-electron-based photon detector placed right at that point.



Similarly, an electron is just a quantum of a different kind of wave in a different kind of field (the electron field, not to be confused with the electromagnetic field). So the intensity of the electron's wave function can be viewed as the probability density of "finding" an electron at that point if you look for one there. However, until you actually look for it somewhere, it really is in all the points in that wave simultaneously. It's not until you "measure" it (interact with it somehow) that the wave decides either to "collapse" to a point particle you can measure, or to keep going.



Hope that helps.


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