Question:
Why is the positive terminal of a battery said to have high voltage and the negative one low voltage when it should be the opposite with an?
Gauri
2014-05-30 22:06:08 UTC
This is true in the case of a proton, but with an electron shouldn't it have high voltage at the negative terminal? I have just started learning about electrostatics and I have noticed that just one situation is described. eg- electric potential is zero at infinity regardless of whether there is attraction or repulsion whereas it should be zero where attractive charges meet in the case of attraction. Why not define TWO DIFFERENT situations depending on attraction or repulsion and whether the charges we're talking about are positive or negative?
Three answers:
Andrew J
2014-05-31 00:19:51 UTC
Physicists tend not to like to have multiple conventions to cover differing but similar situations. They are much happier if they can come up with a convention that is more all-encompassing and covers multiple situations.



Take voltage for example. Instead of defining a voltage convention for positive charges and a separate one for negative charges, physicists prefer to define just one convention, and DEFINE voltage to be the electric potential energy experienced by a unit POSITIVE charge.



With this definition, a positive charge at a positive terminal has high POTENTIAL ENERGY (Energy = qV, where q and V are both positive), and a negative charge at a negative terminal also has high POTENTIAL ENERGY (again Energy = qV, where q and V are both negative). So one common definition of voltage (i.e. as experienced by positive charges) is enough to model the high ENERGY situation of both a positive charge at a positive terminal and a negative charge at a negative terminal. Note that the negative charge doesn't have high VOLTAGE at a negative terminal -- it has high ENERGY.



Another area in which the convention is based on the experience of the positive charge is current. Current is defined as the direction of flow of positive charge, even though we know that in a wire the charge carriers are electrons and negative. The physical electrons in a wire flow opposite the direction of current. Again, this is just an all-encompassing convention.



Regarding the electric potential of two point charges: the convention, as you point out, is to have the energy be zero when the charges are infinitely far apart. We could place the zero of energy wherever we want, but the existing convention is both convenient and more all-encompassing. With the energy zero for infinite separation distance, we can write just one equation for the energy of two point charges:



P.E. = q1 * q2 / R



This one equation encompasses everything we want to express about the energy of two point charges:



When the charges are close and both positive, P.E. is large and positive (very high potential energy).



When the charges are close and both negative, P.E. is also large and positive (very high potential energy).



When the charges are close and opposite sign, P.E. is large and negative (very low potential energy).



Note also that for charges with opposite sign and R -> 0, the energy approaches negative infinity. This would be a bad place to set the zero of energy (as you suggested in your question), since it is infinitely lower than the energy level than any other configuration of the charges, and so any other configuration would have to be listed as infinte energy by comparison.
?
2014-05-30 22:52:54 UTC
"This is true in the case of a proton, but with an electron shouldn't it have high voltage at the negative terminal?"



No. The voltage of the electrode is independent of the test charge you place near it.



A positive charge will spontaneously move from high to low voltage.

A negative charge will spontaneously move from low to high voltage.



An electron has a high potential energy when it is at the negative terminal. But voltage is energy divided by charge.



V = E / q

If the energy is large, but the charge is negative (such as an electron), then the voltage will be a big negative number.
Ryan
2014-05-30 22:24:59 UTC
I'm not sure what all you are talking about but...



When electricity was invented they assumed that the particles that moved were positive so they developed the entire system based on that fact down to the terminals on batteries. Then afterwards they learned that the particles in the current, the electrons were actually negative, so rather than change the entire way they did things to compensate, they decided to do it all the same and then just understand that it's actually opposite.


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