Question:
Is the property of uncertainty inherent in the ‘particle’ in a real way, or is the principle the result of a p?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Is the property of uncertainty inherent in the ‘particle’ in a real way, or is the principle the result of a p?
Four answers:
?
2010-02-12 19:55:19 UTC
Scientific method is dynamic in it's nature and is constantly pushing the limitations imposed by it's very existence the measurement is only as good as the person doing the measuring the when and where are not as important as the why I don't know it just sounds good and what about "intent" does a particle have intent?
Dr. R
2010-02-12 19:35:01 UTC
The uncertainty in quantum mechanics is intrinsic or "inherent", as you say. This differs from uncertainty in classical physics due to limited information or the ability to process it. That is, there are no hypothetical variables that, if known, would eliminate the uncertainty. Such "hidden variables", as they are called, would exclude correlations between distant events that have actually been observed. Wiki Bell Inequality.
anonymous
2010-02-12 19:46:06 UTC
...that throws a wrench into the scientific method?

Now, there's a clear thought! lol!!

so your question differentiates between what is real and what is physical.



Hmm. If that's the way you think, you should go post your question in the religion or philosophy section, not Physics.



There's one or two of us here that would disagree with your concept that the physical is not real. Maybe even three.



So, if I may rephrase your question:

Is the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle a result of imperfect observations on imperfect real systems or do we believe it is a inherent property of reality?



And the answer:

It is an expression derived from the mathematics of Quantum Mechanics - there are certain sets of pairs of "operators" (equivalent to "properties" in classical mechanics) that do not commute. That basically means you can not solve the math for both of them exactly at the same time (at the same space-time point). It is an inherent property of reality - just as incomplete information is. There is also experimental error, which results in a different type of uncertainty.
Eliason
2010-02-12 22:16:10 UTC
Didn't you already ask this question? And didn't I already answer it? I don't know if you are honestly looking for help, or are trying to "prove" something, but uncertainty is inherent in the particle.



As I said, uncertainty is a mathematical consequence of the wave-nature of particles. Individual particles are also wave-packets, which can be modeled using an infinite fourier series with varying wavenumbers k. As you decrease the length of the wavepacket, and confine the particle to a smaller and smaller position value, the distribution of wavenumbers k (proportional to the momentum) must necessarily grow larger.



I can give a more rigorous derivation of this if you wish.


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