Question:
Faster than light travel? If everything is relative?
tmd5855
2006-12-20 09:03:51 UTC
An object leaves earth, attains light speed, also being observed from earth. It then switches two lights 'on' one forward the other aft. Light will/should leave from these two points at the speed of light? Now the question.
1) Will light at the forward end leave at the speed of light relative to the craft and from earth appear to exceed the speed of light?
2) Light leaving at the aft end of the craft will leave at the speed of light relative to the craft but since the craft is already traveling at the speed of light in the opposite direction, will light appear on earth as stopped?
If we have to accept that everything is relative. Then light in question 1, will travel faster than the speed of light, relative to earth where the object emitting light left from. Light leaving the craft (aft) can never be seen since it will never reach earth owing to its source receeding at the speed of light.
How do we know the universe is expanding if it does so at light speed, another question?
24 answers:
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:34:09 UTC
This question requires to be considered from the view point of an observer on earth.



First, the spaceship will not reach speed of light since an infinite amount of energy is required for this.



Second, light waves from the front will not be observed since it is not travelling towards us. This prevents the observer from coming to the conclusion that the light is travelling any faster.



If ever it was possible to observe the front light, we should also take into account time dilation. Now, on earth, we would observe that everything has slowed to a tiny pace on the spaceship and that the light seems to be stuck on the front of the ship. The observer on the ship will however, live the event into "slow motion" and to him/her the light will not be stuck but it will be moving at the speed of light.





Coming to the light which is emitted from the back, we should understand that the light will never reach us, not because of relative speed but because, at light speed, the time dilates to infinity so that the people on the ship takes an infinite time to switch the lights on and that mean never.
Mr Cellophane
2006-12-20 09:25:06 UTC
Light in a vacuum only has one speed. It is independent of the space craft that it is mounted on. Light has properties of a particle and a wave. Because of the wave property, the photo will not behave according to simple ballistics of particle motion. The speed of the light will not change, what will change is the wave length of the light. If a single light was mounted on the space craft so that it could be observed from all directions. The wave length of the light would be less from viewing the space ship as it left the earth compared to the light seen from the destination.



The people at the site of origin would see the light change color until it would no longer be in the visible light range, but could still be measure by infrared devices until the wavelengths were even longer. The person at the destination would not see anything until after the spacecraft started to decelerate. The measured energy would travel from the microwave band and higher until it pasted through the ultraviolet and finally achieving the same wave length emitted by the light while stationary.
winballpizard
2006-12-20 09:11:46 UTC
In 1, light can not travel faster than the speed of light, therefore no, it will not appear to be travelling faster than the speed of light. At any given point in time, the light emitted from either lamp will begin travelling back to earth at the speed of light. This is true regardless of the speed either of the craft or of the earth.



In 2, the same applies as above - the light is not trapped within the relativity bubble in the same way that, for example, a cigarette butt thrown from a moving train assumes the speed of the train until it hits the slipstream. As light by definition cannot travel faster than light, it requires a logical absurdity to believe otherwise.



In other words, it is no different to the headlights on your car, except that the speeds involved are higher. If you're driving down the motorway with your lights on, the light does not leave the headlights at 186,000 miles per second + 70 mph.
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:17:59 UTC
What we know as speed relates to distance travelled in a given time. This works where speeds are comparatively low. Once you start getting towards the order of the speed of light, the universe behaves very differently. Space and time are distorted. Matter reduces in the dimension of the the direction of travel and time runs more slowly than for a stationary object. These phenomena place a theoretical limit on the speed at which anything may travel. There can be no speed above the limit, just as there can be none below zero. Light travels at infinitessimally less than the maximum.



Now I've said it can't happen, if something travelling at the speed of light swithed on lights facing forwards and backwards, no light would come out of the forward facing one. Whether you use the photon or waveform model, light could not leave the light source faster than the speed of light. There would soon be a build-up of energy on the light source and this would destroy it. The light from the rear light would travel at the speed of light. The object would be travelling at the speed of light. Now the bit where quantum mechanics causes your brain to fall out. The relative speed of the object to the light being emitted would be only 1 x the speed of light.
anonymous
2016-05-23 04:11:10 UTC
We can not travel faster than the speed of light. Period. Unlike what a lot of other people are trying to tell you here, it is not just that we don't have the right technology or enough energy. Nothing with mass can EVER travel at the speed of light. This is a physics fact and Einsteins theory of special relativity is based on it. There are hundreds or even thousands of scientific theories and technological devices that rely on the laws from which this idea (that the speed of light cannot be surpassed). It is a tried and true fact.
Don't look too close!
2006-12-20 09:33:00 UTC
1: Light travels at the speed of light whatever the speed of its source. The radiation emitted by the spacecraft will have crazy high frequency measured from earth because of time compression (it'll go the wrong way to ever reach it though).



2: no just lower frequency.



(light is radiation between two frequencies, outside of these the photons can be radio waves, gamma and other waves. all manifestations of the same photon at different frequencies) Technically, from Earth the radiation emitted will not be considered light.



We do not know how fast "the universe is expanding", and the initial speed is subject to theories only. We can see that "the universe is expanding" by measuring the distance of other galaxies around us, since they are moving away, it follows that a ball shaped group of galaxies is getting larger. The real question is, however, how big is the place they expand in.....
scruffy
2006-12-20 09:19:29 UTC
An observer on earth would see the forward-facing light and the ship move at the same speed. The rear-facing light would also appear to travel at light speed (as all light does to any observer) creating the illusion that the light is travelling twice the speed of light from the spaceship.



The observer on the ship would see nothing unusual i.e. both lights leaving the ship at light speed - worth noting also that observers on the ship would never see the light hit the Earth as both the Earth and rear light are moving away from the ship at the same speed... So it's paradoxical.
Hello Dave
2006-12-20 13:03:57 UTC
It's impossible to answer your question as it stands simply because of the impossibility of reaching light speed. We can't even discuss this theoretically because we'd have to envisage a situation where all the laws of physics broke down and what would be the point of that.



BUT, if we rephrase it a bit - what if you were travelling at 99.99% the speed of light? The very, very strange thing about light is that it always travels at exactly the same speed regardless of your motion - relative to an observer. So doesn't matter if you're in a car at 30mph or a rocket at 100,000 mph - light will always race away from you at the same speed.



I have given a few (I think) easy to understand explanations of relativity recently. If you're interested track back through my answers.
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:12:22 UTC
Your question gets to the very heart of special relativity. First of all, the craft cannot travel at the speed of light, but let's say it is traveling at 99% of the speed of light. The observer in the craft will see both light beams traveling away at the speed of light from that point of view, and an Earth bound observer will also see the beams travel at the speed of light from the earth's point of view. I know that this leads to apparent contradictions such as the light having to be in two different places at the same time. What Einstein (and Lorentz) realized is that the way to fix the contradiction is by looking at the concept of "the same time" He realized that what must be true is that the time would NOT be the same! That is the passage of time is different for the two reference frames. That is called "time dilation" and it is one of the consequences of the special theory of relativity, that light travels at the same speed relative to all reference frames.
Billy Butthead
2006-12-20 09:36:06 UTC
When you turn on the headlight the photons emitted don"t know they are traveling at light speed. The quantum effect allows the photons to accelerate to the speed of light.This takes place in one-thirty billionths of a second and a distance of one centimeter the light beam will lead at this distance.

When you turn the rear light on the light beam will again accelerate to the speed of light they do not have to worry about the forward speed it does not affect them,the speed of the emitter is irrelevant the photons accelerate away to the speed of light, they will reach earth like any other light.

The universe initially expanded at the speed of light and will do so for a finite length of time.
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:17:35 UTC
The Michelson-Morley experiment showed that light travels at the speed of light no matter where you observe it or where it comes from. This curious fact led to the theory of special relativity. So the answers are 1) no and 2) no



There is one way of travelling faster than the speed of light and that is to slow light down by putting it in glass or liquid. Electrons that travel faster than light in that medium emit Cerenkov radiation. Much like a plane breaking the sound barrier emits a sonic boom, electrons breaking the light barrier emit light.
ncpropes
2006-12-20 09:08:36 UTC
1) The light comming from the forward facing light will not be emited any faster than the object is traveling.



2) The light will not appear on earth because the photons will not move from their point of origin.



The universe WAS expanding at the speed of light approx 11 billion years ago when light from the furthest reaches of the universe was emited. The current expansion of the universe is unknown as observations cannot be made to the current borders of our universe.
jkc19452004
2006-12-20 12:04:49 UTC
"An object leaves earth, attains light speed, also being observed from earth." Not possible in this universe, that is, anyone on earth could not possibly observe an object travelling faster than the light it was emitting or reflecting. . .
anonymous
2006-12-20 11:26:33 UTC
There is a problem with your question. Mass moving to the speed of light would no longer be mass. It would become electromagnetic energy. Even if it would be possible for a mass to remain three-dimensional while moving at that speed, light energy could not be emitted at an angle to direction of travel due to it moving at the speed of "c" already. There could exist nothing able to initiate a new direction for it.



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anonymous
2006-12-20 19:09:55 UTC
No to both. The speed of light is unique. It appears to be traveling at the speed of light relative to the observer, regardless of his speed. In each case, the light will appear to travel at the speed of light to an observer whether he is stationary or moving at the speed of light.



Strange, but proven true.
chicagodan1974
2006-12-20 09:11:57 UTC
IN THEORY (which is all we can do with this question) the forward velocity light will do "nothing" meaning the light will be traveling at THE SAME speed as "the vehicle". The rear light will APPEAR to be traveling at 2xthe speed of light based on the focal point of the vehicle traveling at the speed of light- HOWEVER will actually only be traveling at the speed of light. Optical illusion. The same reason cars passing each at 50mph in opposite directions appear to be traveling much faster than one care doing 50mph.



Expanding Universe: See string theory. here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:07:46 UTC
Good questions,



All I know is one thing, light travels at the speed of light regardless of the craft from which it left at.
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:12:16 UTC
Relativity cannot be explained in normal human language - only advanced mathematics. No, most of us never get that advanced, but I once had a drinking buddy who could explain all the "what-if?" questions to me, until he pulled out the pencil and paper and started writing the equations - then I got lost.



Nice that you play mind-games with it though - it proves that you think and question things - On the topic of light, go google the Doppler Effect (it applies to sound, too - why does a fast car passing you change sound just as it goes past?)
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:07:27 UTC
Light at rear will reache eartth at speed of light regardless of speed of spacecraft.

Light at front wont go any faster than space craft. And will still reach earth at speed of light.
anonymous
2006-12-20 10:23:23 UTC
It will be seen as a moving object from earth, regardless of the position of the lights.
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:06:12 UTC
The speed of light is constant, regardless of your frame of reference. Read Einstein's "Relativity" - it's tough to understand, but a very good book.
professorminh
2006-12-20 09:14:06 UTC
light doesn't travel at a constant.. It speeds up or slows down depends on what medium it's traveling through...

so yes, light travels faster than the speed of light sometimes.

sorry, i don't like long questions either.
PhoenixRights
2006-12-20 09:08:08 UTC
If you had a super-soaker that squirts at (say for example) 30 miles an hour, and held it out of the car window forwards with the car doing 30 miles an hour the water would come out, but not shoot forwards, just fall to the ground. Aim it backwards and it would fire backwards. Same with your light idea
anonymous
2006-12-20 09:06:05 UTC
I hate long questions,lol


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