Question:
How is it that a stream of chargeless particles can have an electric field?
2009-07-27 15:37:07 UTC
I don't really understand how the photon model is reconciled with the self-propagating electromagnetic wave idea...
Seven answers:
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2009-07-29 10:14:31 UTC
Your question refers to 'particles' with electromagnetic properties. This is the key point to the answer. '... The idea of duality is rooted in a debate over the nature of light and matter dating back to the 1600s, when competing theories of light were proposed by Christiaan Huygens and Isaac Newton: light was thought either to consist of waves (Huygens) or of particles (Newton). Through the work of Albert Einstein, Louis de Broglie, and many others, current scientific theory holds that all particles also have a wave nature (and vice versa). ... (Wikipedia)'



Einstein related the energy 'E' of photons to their frequency 'f' by the equation: -



E = hf



Where 'h' is Planck's constant



Thus, he brought the dual theories into one equation. Hence, for a given packet of energy 'E' in the form of a photon it must also have a frequency 'f'. In 1924, De Broglie extended this concept further to suggest that all matter, not just light, has a wave-like nature; he related wavelength (denoted as λ), and momentum (denoted as p):



λ = h/p



Where for photons: -



λ = c/f



Thus, it seems that not just photons but all matter has a wavelike as well as a particulate nature. '... De Broglie's formula was confirmed three years later for electrons (which differ from photons in having a rest mass) with the observation of electron diffraction in two independent experiments. At the University of Aberdeen, George Paget Thomson passed a beam of electrons through a thin metal film and observed the predicted interference patterns. At Bell Labs Clinton Joseph Davisson and Lester Halbert Germer guided their beam through a crystalline grid. ...(Wikipedia)'



This brings me to the answer - an energetic photon (from E=hf) will have a frequency 'f' that is in the Electromagnetic range. '... Electromagnetic waves were first postulated by James Clerk Maxwell and subsequently confirmed by Heinrich Hertz. Maxwell derived a wave form of the electric and magnetic equations, revealing the wave-like nature of electric and magnetic fields, and their symmetry. Because the speed of EM waves predicted by the wave equation coincided with the measured speed of light, Maxwell concluded that light itself is an EM wave.



According to Maxwell's equations, a time-varying electric field generates a magnetic field and vice versa. Therefore, as an oscillating electric field generates an oscillating magnetic field, the magnetic field in turn generates an oscillating electric field, and so on. These oscillating fields together form an electromagnetic wave.



The physics of electromagnetic radiation is electrodynamics, a subfield of electromagnetism. Electric and magnetic fields obey the properties of superposition so that a field due to any particular particle or time-varying electric or magnetic field will contribute to the fields present in the same space due to other causes: as they are vector fields, all magnetic and electric field vectors add together according to vector addition. For instance, a travelling EM wave incident on an atomic structure induces oscillation in the atoms of that structure, thereby causing them to emit their own EM waves, emissions which alter the impinging wave through interference. These properties cause various phenomena including refraction and diffraction.



Since light is an oscillation it is not affected by travelling through static electric or magnetic fields in a linear medium such as a vacuum. However in nonlinear media, such as some crystals, interactions can occur between light and static electric and magnetic fields — these interactions include the Faraday effect and the Kerr effect. ...(Wikipedia)'





Hence, non-linear media may be used to provide proof of the self-propagation of EM radiation.
mostafa e1
2009-07-27 16:36:59 UTC
- Chargeless particles can not have an electric nor magnetic fields. But, if this particle was interacting with a medium it might be produces an electromagnetic wave.

- The photon is defined as a packet of energy. In photon model (quantum mechanics), the photon was prescribed as having dual properties (duality). That means the photon follows the laws of particles as well as the laws of waves. Under this circumstance the photon can behave like a waves (reflection, refraction, scattering and attenuation).

- Electromagnetic wave propagated in sinusoidal way and to simplifying this point it mean that it behaves as positive part of time and negative in equal time. Over the net time it will be charge-less.

- As the photon is uncharged it can, if interacting with a medium, to produce charges (making ionization).
Paul
2009-07-27 15:55:39 UTC
I can't say I can answer your question very well but I waited and nobody else seems to want to answer it so I'm gonna have a simplistic stab at it.



This is how I try to understand it. Electro-magnetic waves are waves of energy that are caused by the movement of charged particles or magnetic fields. These waves of energy excite electrons in atoms causing them to change energy levels as an electron jumps up and down energy levels that wave energy becomes a quantum packet of energy eg a chargeless packet of energy. That's just my own take on the subject. Last I heard though, nobody had yet come to terms with the wave-particle duality of light.



The problem is that two seperate models are both used to explain the behaviour of light and the two models are essentially incompatible. We know that we can make electromagnetic waves by moving charged particles or magnetic fields. We also know that we can't bend light by using magnets although some frequencies of radio waves can be bounced off the ionosphere.



Sorry I couldn't be more help.
OldPilot
2009-07-27 15:53:28 UTC
WARNING! I am a heretic. According to the Physics Majors, the following is “misleading” or “nonsense.”



The electromagnetic waves are the method that the energy is transmitted through space.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_waves







Yours is a very profound question. I can tell from your question that you are ready to be let in on the "Dirty Little Secret" of Theoretical Physics: We have NOT yet figured everything out. The universe is governed by whole sets of "Laws" that do NOT agree and are mutually exclusive or illogical (I’ll tack on Schrodinger's Cat in case you are interested in the illogic). This is a great embarrassment. We assume we live in an orderly, rational universe that makes sense. Perhaps when Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity are unified we will have a better answer to your question.



For now:



We need the concept of alternating electromagnetic fields (waves) to explain certain physical phenomena, like the interference pattern in the 2 slit experiment. So we keep that. We must somehow explain how a particle orders of magnitude smaller than the distance between the slits somehow passes through both slits and interferes with itself. Problem, we cannot explain this well using "quanta" (Particles, photons). Wave mechanics gives a simple easy to understand explanation.



We need the concept of quanta (particles, photons) to explain other phenomena, like the Photoelectric Effect. So we keep that too. But, this means we use 2 different, mutually exclusive systems of mechanics to explain electromagnetic radiation.



What to do? We cheat! We say that electromagnetic radiation has a dual nature and choose the system of mechanics that works best for the problem at hand.



Quantum Mechanics gets out of this mess by introducing the Uncertainty Principle, Indeterminacy, and the Copenhagen Interpretation of QM. If we do NOT know which slit the particle went through, then the particle is "smeared out in equal parts" and goes through both slits. It turns into a fog. As long as it is a fog, it can pass through both slits. That is: The particle occupies a volume of space with some probability. QM says that so long as the position is not known, the particle occupies the entire volume. If we learn its position, the fog condenses into that location and the particle goes through one slit. (The problem with this is: Fog does not form interference, waves do. Sooner or later, in those problems where appropriate, you must give up particles and fogs and start cranking through the equations of Wave Mechanics) But, Quantum Mechanists prefer “fog” to, "The particle turns into a wave and goes through which ever slits are open. One slit, no pattern. Two slits, pattern. “ Take your choice of which mental picture you form.

Rule of Thumb that got me through QM: If its’ position is known, it is a particle. If its’ position is unknown, it is a wave. This works because the equations of Wave Mechanics work, if the position is unknown. If you don’t tell anybody, no one will know the mental picture you formed to solve the problem. (This may not always work, but I do not remember a case where it failed.)



It is not uncommon for engineers to accept the reality of phenomena that

are not yet understood, as it is very common for physicists to disbelieve

the reality of phenomena that seem to contradict contemporary beliefs of

physics - H. Bauer
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2016-10-30 15:01:41 UTC
it fairly is fairly any incorrect way around. Einstein stated that the magnetic container replaced into the relativistic manifestation of the electrical powered container. Maxwell's Equations prepare the mathematical relationship between them. you may not create the electrical powered container around a proton with a changing magnetic container, by using fact the sphere would desire to be increasing continuously without shrink. See the third reference for a proof of magnetism on the quantum scale.
Alex Smirnoff
2009-07-27 15:40:48 UTC
Sources of electric field are:

1. electric charges

2. varying magnetic fields
popovoleg70
2009-07-28 00:20:33 UTC
Simply charge is relative too.For still sistems having static field.


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