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A question for those who lack the fear inhibiting those who shy from attempting to answer creation's queries!?
2008-09-15 17:08:10 UTC
Whether you are a creationist, and evolutionist, an absurdist, a nihilist, a pessimist, optimist, homogonist, rapist, or an insensible rock; it stands to sensible reason you exist, or if you are an absolute skeptic unconvinced that you exist for certain, you seem to be aware of a sense of doubt regarding your existence, which although does not constitute proof of it, is a strong enough indicator that you do exist as to warrant your at least considering the possibility that you do.

All that out of the way, we have two likely scenarios to justify our existence; and by "our" I do mean anything at all, not simply human organisms. (If I am missing a third/more alternative/s, by all means, speak up, that is what I'm hoping for.)

First that things have always existed. Everything/anything at all has always been, forever, eternally back in time, or sideways, or around, or through time-dilation and interwoven amidst however many multiple dimensions you scientists may plan to teach me about in regard to how things couldn't have always existed since always implies a temporal timeline which may not be representative of reality as it truly is...bla bla. Either way, in some "time" or some variation of perpetuation of substance through space, things are, and this scenario tells us that that has simply always been the case.

In this first scenario, God may or may not exist as far as we currently have proven, and may or may not be the Christian or Muslim or Wiccan version/s thereof, or may be this higgs-boson vacuum fluctuation rendering energy into matter. The question is, if this is the case, how can cause and effect break down to yield an effect, namely that we exist, in the absence of a cause, namely a beginning to the universe; ie, a big bang or a let there be light, or a series of big bangs over x amount of years which, when traced back, expose us to no initial moment or cause?

The second scenario is equally incomprehensible, and that is quite obviously, the creation of the universe from nothingness. Whether you want to say there is no God, and that the big bang started everything or whether you want to say God set off the big bang or God did it in 168 hours over the course of a week, or whatever you want to say, bare nothing still had to create something. In this scenario, God didn't exist at some point or at some time, but then created him/itself out of the apparently somehow "existing" nothingness, or from the non-existing nothingness! And then the question is, how would something like that be accomplished?

If, finally, your answer to this is along the lines of "Nobody can answer these age old questions, and you are just rewording debates man has been having for thousands of years and no one will ever with a finite human mind be able to determine how existence initially came into being, or for that matter whether it will remain in existence ad infinitum," then isn't it easier to assume that such miraculous realities such as our being alive today are the result of some higher order of being, or if not being, than of a higher order which is able to function outside of, and irrespective of the laws of physics since bare nothing instantiating matter/energy without having any to initially work with defies about every law of physics we have? God, whatever that is, seems to be the most scientific and logical explanation doesn't it?
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Jedidiah
2008-09-16 08:48:52 UTC
Definitive: EYEH ASHER EYEH. 144 hrs. 24 he rested from his work. , The Higgs boson, a fundamental particle predicted by theorist Peter Higgs, may be the key to understanding why elementary particles have mass. Explaining the connection, I am reminded of the puzzler, "If sound cannot travel in a vacuum, why are vacuum cleaners so noisy?" This riddle actually touches on a profound insight of modern physics: the vacuum—or empty space—is far from empty. It is indeed "noisy" and full of virtual particles and force fields. The origin of mass seems to be related to this phenomenon. Perhaps the vacuum is between our ears.

Play with this:http://www.crystalinks.com/harmonyspheres.html

Don't ask what you won't know, you have bounds. Omniscience isn't in your genetic code. Cleave to GOD. You need nothing else.
tj3f3rsn
2008-09-16 03:36:30 UTC
This is an R&S question disguised as a physics problem. It gets asked over in the R&S section all the time.



All your talk of incomprehensibility brings to mind Bertrand Russell's answer to this exact question from his lecture "Why I Am Not A Christian" given in 1927. I cannot say it any better, so I will leave you with his words:



If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, "How about the tortoise?" the Indian said, "Suppose we change the subject." The argument is really no better than that. There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why it should not have always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination.
Sophist
2008-09-16 04:36:46 UTC
As we know, space has energy. Why this amazes and confuses people, I don't understand. The definition of potential energy is one that requires space! Nothing can have energy unless space exists between it and some other point in space which we may refer to a zero level. Now, one other thing that we know about space is that it is unstable. It tends to collapse.



So far, string theory points to at least 11 spaces for our total continuum. If there existed what I call 1+ space or a space that once existed before it collapsed, making the total spaces for a continuum 12. The collapse would have furnished sufficient energy to create our universe.This obviates the need of a creator and flows very well with Emergence Theory or the theory of the mechanics of how the universe and all of reality works.



It is not so much that God does not exist, as he is not necessary to the creation or maintenance of the universe. One natural law states that that which can exist, must exist. Since a Godhead is unnecessary, he does not exist.
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2008-09-16 00:44:43 UTC
When talking about beginnings and ends and creations we always assume that there always was or is time. We are creatures of time so it is way out of our powers to imagine something or someplace where time does not exists. Our brains and the organs that todays creatures think with are all creations of an era where time existed, so none of us can think in any other way. So this question really is unanswerable. even if you could time-travel you could not travel to a time where the concept of time does not apply :)



So even god must have come from somewhere, what was before god? who did create god? what did he do before he created the universe? He must have been bored out of his mind...



I can accept that our universe must have started somewhere. By whom i don't care, big bang, god, the flying spaghetti monster, whatever.



But what came before our own universe i really can't imagine and i don't think that anyone living in this universe ever could. Humans are not that flexible thinkers. And until you can prove something everything is speculation.



So even if we agree that god is the ultimate answer, who created him then? What came before God? Did God wonder how he was created and believed in some bigger God? and did he then wanted to find out and created us just to prove his theories? We are about to do the same thing right now, attempting to create the big bang to see if it really could have happened... If we are successful, will there be another universe with creatures wondering about us if we are their god?



So God might be the answer to our existence as might science be. But the answer to the existece of anything at all can not be God, can it?


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